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Oh thank god. I was beginning to get a whif of it over here!

stop the press.......a team that is worse than the yanks....step forward trinidad and tobago. fucking rubbish

England = zzzzzzzzz soooooo damn boring
england to win euro 08! ahahahhahaha

Tell us something we don't already know.

getting back to how BAD usa were .............. i really think that they should give up go back to hockey (ice if you must) and let the rest of the get on with the serious sports such as footie. you can carry on with your mutants sport or the ones that you populate with drug infested peoples (fuck me you really have fucked up athlectics) whilst the rest of the 1st world passes you by.

see ya

England don't live up to their expectations.
How can you support a team with John Terry, Paul Robinson, Rio Ferdinand, Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Wayne Rooney. England only got one world class player and thats Steven Gerrard, and they play him out of position all the time. I can't watch England because its rubbish..All the best teams play their best player in their best position. England best player is Steven Gerrard, his best position is Central Midfield, but no will a average fat Frank role into the central midfield, and will stick Steven Gerrard on the left wing, where hes still England's best player, but he could be even better.

England are shit,i'm sorry to say it,but it's true, against crap teams they look good,but against the likes of my boyz brazil, or even italy or france,argentina, they'd get murked off the park..I don't mean to cause no offence,but i've seen it for years, all these false dawns and then when it comes to the crunch, england flop so whose fault is it? the managers or the players, or both?

whi said i support england (i don't actually)

and if you think gerrard is world class then you have clearly gone mad.

its down to players not being that good. and as for the loving brazil bit ....oh please. last world cup they were a joke

Firstly, Frank Lampard is not average. He is at the heart of back-to-back title winning sides. He is a good player, over-rated yes but he is still a good player who can do a certain role.

Anyone who thinks Gerrard is world class is mad? Er not really. Now I don't think he is, but he is clearly very talented and one of the best central midfielders around. Not world class, but he isn't that far off [and btw I hate Gerrard] Out of interest radford, who is world class in your book?

England haven't succeeded for a variety of reasons... Not good enough managers being one - whether that be tactically, squad selections or confidence in the players - which leads us to penalty shoot-outs. How many times have England gone out in the latter stages due to penalties? That shows although we haven't quite been good enough, we have been okay and a little better improvement in some areas and we would have been in finals/semi finals.

England's problem is a strange one. We have the players, its just fitting them into a functional team. It will take a manager will balls to fix it - for my money I think a 4-2-3-1 would work well [Gk, Cole, Rio, Terry, Richards, Barry, Hargreaves/Beckham, Gerrard, Rooney, Joe Cole/Young, Owen]

sorry thats a desperate post.we all know stevieeeeeeeeee g along with fatboy slim ARE overrated. fatty good at chelski shit anywhere else trust me. as for the quoating of players such as cole,terry, rooney (goal ratio totally shit) is frabkly boring as it is predictable. overatted pampered "stars" who are just that. as for richards listen son HE AIN'T THAT GOOD. young i like but to mention beckham renders the post lower than a snakes belly.

rant over

4-3-2-1, 4-4-2 1-10 its makes no difference if the players are not what they make out to be.Engeralnd = POO

Okay, couple of things...

Whether they are over-rated or not, in this case, is a moot point. We want England to do well, and yes maybe all 11 players aren't as good as the hype... BUT that doesn't make them bad players. Beckham is the most famous footballer in the world, and it's obviously not down to just his game as he was probably never world class... However he is still a good, good player. He works hard and never gives up, you need that in a team. Not to mention his productivity - he WILL create chances. Even you can't deny that! I challenge you to name one better crosser of the ball in football. He has his limits no doubt, but I think what he can offer is enough for him to be considered.

Lampard you're missing the point a bit. He has even more limits than Beckham - thats why I wouldn't play him. But he can find space and score goals, and considering you dismiss Rooney on the basis of his goal/game ratio you then can't ignore Lampard because his goal/game ratio is pretty good.

Rooney there are a few problems. He is a great player, but he is a second striker - kind of in the Bergkamp role. He is a superb player, again not world class, but very good. He can cause problems, he just needs to hit form he showed with England in 04.

Terry is a tough one... I don't think as an international defender he is that great, but rather him than the others. Richards isn't that great, but he's good enough and with two DM's he'd get lots of cover. That would be my XI... if its so bad then what is yours?

Btw still want to know who you think is world class?

deep brethe.................

beckham... fuck me average at best. as for tht crossing of the ball bollocks....its not special teams. he can't run simple and a wide man that not good. he should have been farmed out years ago. if set pieces is your thing thing then bring on a desinated kicker as that is not in footie then beckham needs to do one.

rooooooooney was hailed as the best thing since sliced bread (what is by the way?) and proven not to be the case (surprise surprise) he is an okay player with a temperment proble. FACT

fatboy slim WILL only be good in a chelski system his goals have got him out of getting 3 out of ten in nearly ALL the games he's played

terry is a cunt and a thug not class a player who resorts to the dark artswhen it suits him. as for his goals when was one not a foul? CUNT

oh by the wY WHAT IS PRODUCTIVITY.....IT USED TO BE CALLED "NO TALENT WORK HORSE" AND YES THAT'S STEVIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE G
who's world class at the momont....mesi,etu, canni, buffon, ike cassas (excuse the spelling), horse face,

I'm not going to defend the Chelsea/United ones because I don't actually like them,

But Beckham, okay. Firstly, no he can't beat his man. But does that matter too much? He does what is required of him... He offers width, tracks back and creates. That he does that without being able to go past his man is proof of just how good he is passing and crossing. It's more than from set pieces, he does it consistently and has done his whole career. There is no player better crossing the ball - average players do not have that talent. Like I said, he has his limits but he is a superb player still.

Gerrard... Well I don't really want to defend him either, talk to llrvpll on the officials if you want someone who really rates Gerrard. However, he got 11 goals and 11 assists last season in the league, so he has talent.