Ashburton Grove Gooners

english football that is. i know that this may may have been posted in different forms before but here's my short take. i love football (except womens) but are we in danger of killing the game we love. by that i mean not the boards, players, media or agents but us the fans. every single club has a forum and on that forum there are moans and groans about the lack of signings or signings that have been made. surley "bigger" signings me we pay more. there are only four things to be won and we clogg up the phone-ins and forums as to why and what went wrong. buy buy buy seems the majority verdit to solve the problem. ask yourself this would you want your team to win everything every year? it nearly happens in greece (olympiacos), holland (psv), portugal (oporto), france (lyon), norway (rosenberg), the jocks (gers,bhoys), england (manu,chelsea). our greed as fans fuelled by forums and phone-ins, banners in the ground, abusing managers fuels the cycle of winning at any price. football is a strange entitypopulated by people who are rational in everyday life but lose it when it comes to 22 men kicking a ball around. whats wrong with us? fuck knows but i love it anyway. which makes me as irrational as the next man.

ask yourself this another question .................Does winning matter that much?

You can't rationalise football really. None of it makes any sense, best to just enjoy it.

The forum things... I don't think it matters too much, it's more the money in football means more pressure and all that. 90% of fans are fickle as fuck anyways, so no point clubs taking too much notice of them in on-the-field things.

Winning... yes it matters. Football is a sport and the whole point is to win. Especially for a club like Arsenal. However its far from the be all and end all, for example despite us winning sweet fa last season I really enjoyed it. Some games everyone seemed to believe we were going to win the league, we were in some great games and did ourselves proud in the league and Europe.

yes but we were losers

In the sense we didn't win anything yeah. But we did exceed expectations in the league last season, so maybe we weren't.

think on this a corpse is a corpse. end of

as i thought no one will address the issue

Er I did.

Like I said winning is important but not everything. Far from it.

I'll chime in here, if I may.

As stated, you can never win all the time, so you might as well just enjoy what is in front of you. Nevertheless, I think that investors are now having a bad effect on the game. You always need SOME money in a team, but along with that money, you need people who know football and have a desire to win. It has gotten to the point where big investors are distorting football and the fans buy into it by demanding big name signings. People thnk they can buy trophies and, in some ways, they can. Look at the EPL. 2 or 3 teams dominate every season and there is no way that an Aston Villa or a Portsmouth, for example, could get into the top 4 much less win the league.

I don't thnk there is any answer to this; we are too far gone into the money factor to change. Should the FA put a cap on wages? On transfers? The despised MLS has that and MLS is a very competitive league, in that you really don't know at the beginning of the season which teams will challenge for the cup. But I know no one wants the EPL to function as the MLS does. You want top players in order to make it in the CL, and to see top players every week.